http://www.thesheaf.com/2010/03/03/figure-skating-changing-for-the-better/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:51:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://www.thesheaf.com/2010/03/03/figure-skating-changing-for-the-better/#comment-1403 Jean Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:49:11 +0000 http://thesheaf.com/?p=3115#comment-1403 I like figure skating and I'd like to see men doing more than women in their programs... I like figure skating and I’d like to see men doing more than women in their programs…

]]> http://www.thesheaf.com/2010/03/03/figure-skating-changing-for-the-better/#comment-1401 Stephanie Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:15:16 +0000 http://thesheaf.com/?p=3115#comment-1401 I like how Patrick Chan, of CANADA! said over and over again 'a quad doesn't make a man'. I like how Patrick Chan, of CANADA! said over and over again ‘a quad doesn’t make a man’.

]]> http://www.thesheaf.com/2010/03/03/figure-skating-changing-for-the-better/#comment-1391 Agata Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:26:01 +0000 http://thesheaf.com/?p=3115#comment-1391 1- Plushenko won many competitions with the new score sistem. His tecnical skills on others elements are still the same. Other skaters have improved others elemetes, but deterioreted with jumps. The point is: in this sport, jumps are the most difficult elements. 2- You wrote, about Laysachek "his jumps were better executed". Both in short and long programe he did good jumps, but not as good to rich the executions points(GOE) he's got. Height and wide rotation are the elements that usually increase the execution points of a jump (+1, +2, +3). L. ones were low and their rotations were "just" enogh. This made his GOEs questionable. The extra points he's got for putting them in second half of the programe, are calculated on their own and I'm not questioning that. 3- "Lysacek’s was better artistically" doesn't mean anything. Interpretation is the more questionable thing in universe, but audience around the world (and north american TVs untill yesterday) have always found Plushenko as a great performer. But if we only talk about transitions, footwork and coreography when you said that " this part of the scoring system saved Canadian Patrick Chan because he had possibly the best choreography in the entire competition but a weaker technical performance" you admit, that BECOUSE they're not able to have difficult tecnical elements, they try to earn points doing a lot of "easy" things. Those elements should make the difference between programs with the same tecnical level. And it's not the case: landing a quad (or 4 in combination with a 3) is much more difficult than putting a lot of coreography elements. That's what Plushenko meant when he said "this is figure skating, not dance". But in any case, he had great footworks andstep sequenses (and he dind't fall as Chan did in - the short - doing what he's suppost to do better). 4 - "He worked harder than anyone for that medal. He didn’t just show up after a three year hiatus and say, “You know what? I think I’ll compete in the Olympics today!”" If after 3 years of not competing, Plushenko is still able to get back and fighting for a medal, that shows only the great champion he is and how much he has worked in all his life. The shame, is that in these 3 years, skaters haven't improved. It's like they said "Thanx to God he's gone and we can win somenthig without working hard". The shame is that today he is the only one trying to do those things. When he was 19(and won his first olympic silver medal) he and Yagudin have in both short and long programe 4-3-2 and another 4. And I haven't seen programs more arstical than their ones... But maybe they were "true" champions. 1- Plushenko won many competitions with the new score sistem. His tecnical skills on others elements are still the same. Other skaters have improved others elemetes, but deterioreted with jumps. The point is: in this sport, jumps are the most difficult elements.
2- You wrote, about Laysachek “his jumps were better executed”. Both in short and long programe he did good jumps, but not as good to rich the executions points(GOE) he’s got. Height and wide rotation are the elements that usually increase the execution points of a jump (+1, +2, +3). L. ones were low and their rotations were “just” enogh. This made his GOEs questionable. The extra points he’s got for putting them in second half of the programe, are calculated on their own and I’m not questioning that.
3- “Lysacek’s was better artistically” doesn’t mean anything. Interpretation is the more questionable thing in universe, but audience around the world (and north american TVs untill yesterday) have always found Plushenko as a great performer. But if we only talk about transitions, footwork and coreography when you said that ” this part of the scoring system saved Canadian Patrick Chan because he had possibly the best choreography in the entire competition but a weaker technical performance” you admit, that BECOUSE they’re not able to have difficult tecnical elements, they try to earn points doing a lot of “easy” things. Those elements should make the difference between programs with the same tecnical level. And it’s not the case: landing a quad (or 4 in combination with a 3) is much more difficult than putting a lot of coreography elements. That’s what Plushenko meant when he said “this is figure skating, not dance”. But in any case, he had great footworks andstep sequenses (and he dind’t fall as Chan did in – the short – doing what he’s suppost to do better).
4 – “He worked harder than anyone for that medal. He didn’t just show up after a three year hiatus and say, “You know what? I think I’ll compete in the Olympics today!”” If after 3 years of not competing, Plushenko is still able to get back and fighting for a medal, that shows only the great champion he is and how much he has worked in all his life. The shame, is that in these 3 years, skaters haven’t improved. It’s like they said “Thanx to God he’s gone and we can win somenthig without working hard”. The shame is that today he is the only one trying to do those things. When he was 19(and won his first olympic silver medal) he and Yagudin have in both short and long programe 4-3-2 and another 4. And I haven’t seen programs more arstical than their ones…
But maybe they were “true” champions.

]]> http://www.thesheaf.com/2010/03/03/figure-skating-changing-for-the-better/#comment-1383 Casey Edwards Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:16:01 +0000 http://thesheaf.com/?p=3115#comment-1383 All sports have progressions. Figure skating has progessed with increased revolutions in jumps. I wonder if this writer would have been anti double jumps or anti triple jumps. The sport is progressing through jumps. The fact that the current olympic champion can't do quads is devastating and horrible for the sport. Hopefully no man ever wins another competition without a quad. The fact that the scoring was changed not to penalize attempts so harshly will increase quad attempts and keep the sport moving forward. All sports have progressions. Figure skating has progessed with increased revolutions in jumps. I wonder if this writer would have been anti double jumps or anti triple jumps. The sport is progressing through jumps. The fact that the current olympic champion can’t do quads is devastating and horrible for the sport. Hopefully no man ever wins another competition without a quad. The fact that the scoring was changed not to penalize attempts so harshly will increase quad attempts and keep the sport moving forward.

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